tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1500584444083499721.post7455498434286608617..comments2024-03-24T09:28:42.755+01:00Comments on CJ on Mathematics and Science: Will Skeptics Now Be Able to Unite?Claes Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07411413338950388898noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1500584444083499721.post-75760892916871947572013-09-30T16:14:08.152+02:002013-09-30T16:14:08.152+02:00You should know I agree with you about the ineffec...You should know I agree with you about the ineffectiveness of "back-radiation". I go further: Longwave radiation from the surface does not affect the atmospheric temperature, except locally and transiently--the vertical temperature lapse rate, and the intensity of solar radiation that is directly absorbed by the atmosphere, rules over all). But there is no good reason to vitiate your effectiveness by making fun of a "Holy Spirit in the Sky". Just say something like, "academics' belief in the consensus theory is counter to the overwhelming objective evidence, and is akin to the blind faith in the pronouncements of institutionalized religions--the "consensus" of earlier times, before the rise of science--that has hobbled mankind throughout history", and go on.<br /><br />Yesterday I submitted to your site a comment I originally made on Judith Curry's site in early 2011. I also looked at other comments I made to her site around that time, and found this one, which relates to the belief in "back-radiation", as espoused by Ray Pierrehumbert in the pages of Physics Today, also at that time:<br />--------------------<br /><br />No one has learned anything here, or from Pierrehumbert's recapitulation of "The Radiative Transfer Theory," in capitals to communicate its divine status. The theory ignores convection; it ignores the ideal gas law and the gravity that compresses the atmosphere, and increases the temperature, as a monotonic function (increase) of depth (Pierrehumbert makes the insane claim that "An atmospheric greenhouse gas enables a planet to radiate at a temperature lower than the ground's" -- NO, the thermodynamic lapse rate, depending only on gravitational g and the atmospheric specific heat does that); it ignores the Venus/Earth data that proves there is NO greenhouse/Tyndall effect whatsoever, on either planet. It assumes that anything with a temperature is a blackbody (absorptivity=emissivity), including the surface of the Earth (obscene misunderstanding of basic physics). Pierrehumbert assumes no scattering of IR radiation, because he does not even have an understanding that absorption and re-emission does just that; heat diffusion is beyond his The Radiative Transfer Theory, as his cartoon Figure 1 [note: in his Physics Today article} well demonstrates. Which is less correct: "Half of the radiation is directed south by southeast, and half north by northwest" (see Shakespeare aficionados for the meaning of the latter direction), or "Half is directed back to the surface..."? And having figured that out, what is the effect of radiation from a cooler body on a warmer body? No, to both the Greenhouse Effect and to The Radiative Transfer Theory, as it is applied in climate "science". It is sheer idiocy on the part of physics today, and of Physics Today as well. Incompetence to the nth power.<br />------------------------------<br />I wrote that on January 20, 2011. Earlier, on January 12, 2011, I gave my recommendations, which are still relevant:<br /><br />Too much wrong has been done. First, bring on the political revolution, to STOP "implementing climate policy". Those who would implement know not what they do, get them stopped. Second, cast all of those defending the IPCC consensus, or even peer-review, out of their comfortable "authoritative" positions, because theirs is the rottenness in climate science. Third, set up a new, independent authority, of hard scientists OUTSIDE of climate science, not in it, with the sole task of winnowing out the chaff that now inundates climate science, and identifying once and for all the true nuggets that should be built upon (such as the Venus/Earth data I recently advanced, as have others before me, that definitively disproves the greenhouse effect). It doesn't matter if they don't "know" climate science, I guarantee they can learn, and learn it far better than the "consensus" of today.<br />-----------------------Harry Dale Huffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03210275295826050501noreply@blogger.com